Episode 58: Healing the Hard Money Wound with Sara Gilbert

Sara Gilbert is an Award-winning Business Strategist & Mindset Coach. Sara dedicated the last 10+ years to working with mission-driven entrepreneurs who want a clear and concise business strategy so they can serve their clients in a high-end capacity.

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Sara: Those wounds are way above just the money. And I've been working on processing that on what if it was easy? What if money flow, but also in general? What if life was easy? So when we open just the money wound, we see that it's not just for money, it's from everywhere. As long as I have the wound of hard money wound and just life has to be hard.

You get stuck in that pattern. 

Emily: Well, I think you bring up some really interesting and insightful points. And so I first just wanna honor you, because I can tell that you're really reflecting and contemplating and working on the embodiment in the shifting of what's there, which is so huge.

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Hello, and welcome back to the Em Makes Money Show. I am so happy to have my friend Sara Gilbert here joining me today.

She's an award-winning business, strategist and mindset coach. Sarah has dedicated the last 10 years to working with mission-driven entrepreneurs. Who want a clear, concise business strategy so they can serve their clients in a high-end capacity, have a streamline business that runs efficiently. Build an engaged team and make more money along the way and enjoy life even more. Sarah, thank you so much for being here and welcome on the show. 

Sara: Well, thank you very much for the invitation. 

Emily: So I had the pleasure of being on your show and we dove into all things, money wounds, and healing them to call in wealth. And I'm so happy that we get to continue our conversation here. And I guess I would love to start by just inviting you to share how you got into entrepreneurship.

Sara: It was a plan to become entrepreneur at 40, but the universe life made it five years earlier. So I was in a job where people would say it was the perfect job. I was free to come in and out whenever I wanted to build the position that I wanted, but I was really dying inside.  I was really like, I did not feel accomplished whatsoever. Even if the people there were absolutely amazing. I was slowly dying inside. There's a day that my boss was like the senior vice president starts talking to me and I'm at my desk and I just take a piece of paper and I just write a date on it. I'm, that is the date that I'm resigned. 

So that date came and I handed over my resignation. And then my boss who knew that I was going through a horrible divorce, looks at the piece of paper, looked at me. He says, "I'm leaving on a business trip for two weeks or for one week, we'll talk about it when I come back". And he put it on a shelf in my office. And he came back a week later and he goes, so I took it the exact same place where he put it and I'm like, it's time. And just like that, I had nothing, I had zero in my bank account. I had two very small children that I had taken care of full time. I was going through like a crazy personal time, but that was it. 

Emily: Wow.

Sara: I just knew it and I jumped so.

Emily: Did you, at that time have a pretty strong relationship to source universe God, your intuition?

Sara: None whatsoever. So I can't even explain what made me decide to do it.

Emily: Wow.

Sara: I can't even explain. I didn't have anything. I didn't have like potential clients or I knew I wanted to be a business consultant, business coach. I knew I wanted to help entrepreneur, but I didn't know how, where, what nothing. 

Emily: Wow. So that was like the lead of all leaps. 

Sarah: Yes. And even to this day, I wouldn't even be able to say what made me decide that I just knew I could do that. 

Emily: Oh my gosh. I'm so curious to hear what's next, because I know for myself that those first months, and even years. Frankly as an entrepreneur, my gosh, it brings up all kinds of stuff. You're hustling to get clients. You don't have good boundaries. Typically you're saying yes to everything. You're attaching your worth to whether or not clients wanna work with you. It's a ride in and of itself. And then in your case, adding the pressure of you are now a single mother you're financially responsible for your children. You're just going through this identity upheaval. So what was that like for you starting your business under those circumstances?

Sara: I would say interesting. And you're right like everything was tied in there. What also was tied into my belief and who I was is you gotta work hard in life. So work hard I did. Sometimes when I would lose my, why am I doing this? I would just go see my kids sleep and I would just watch them sleep. And I'm like, that's why, get back to work. So, and I knew that in that life, in that previous life, I was not the best version of myself and I was not the mom that I wanted to be.

So I didn't even give myself another option. I remember when I resigned one of the coworkers that I had there. Who was on an entrepreneur and she's like, well, Sarah, you're super smart. I know you're gonna do amazing, cause like you do amazing work here. So you're just gonna do amazing work somewhere else. He goes and anything Sarah you're like, you've got a plan B in my head.

I'm like, I don't have a plan B.

Emily: Right.

Sara: There was no plan B. There was a plan A and that was it actually, there wasn't even no plan A so it was just.

Emily: Plan A was figure it out.

Sara: Exactly. Plan A was figure it out as you go and that's it. But I knew I wanted freedom. I knew I wanted to make an impact. I knew I wanted to make a difference and I knew I wasn't making any of those. So I didn't know how, but I knew it was not that. 

Emily: How long did it take you to get your first client and what did you charge them?

Sarah: I was really lucky because since I was in the same industry for about a decade before, I had people who introduced me and give me little mandates here and there. So I think I started at $80 an hour.

Emily: Okay. 

Sara: And I basically, whatever you needed, I would do it. I wrote web copy websites. I did graphics. I help with your business structure. I help with the team and the task and the delegation of the team, basically in a small business, whatever you needed. I could do it. So, and I definitely took clients that I did not want, but needed the money. I took mandates that I did not know how to do. But I knew I would just figure it out. So charging $80 an hour, but sometimes when you actually calculated, I probably ended up earning like $5 an hour.

Emily: Right. Because you were researching and figuring out.

Sara: And I was figuring it out as I go and everything. And I remember even like I had a client out of town and he is like, I think by then I was charging $150 an hour and goes. So if you come and meet me, do I need to pay for your travel and everything? I'm like, no, no, don't worry about it. You're just paying for the time that I'm there, but it's a three hour drive for a two hour meeting. And I'm like, something's not right here I think. But I didn't know how, I didn't know better though. And I just needed that $150 an hour by then and so I did it.

Emily: And it's like, I actually think this is really common. The more stories I hear, it's like there's a season for everything. And often there is a season when you will accept all different kinds of work. There is a season when you're willing to say, oh no, I'll travel to you for free. And that gets to change over time. There's things I do in my business right now where I'm like, I know I won't be doing this in six months, but right now it feels fun. It feels like I have space in my schedule so sure why not.

Sara: Find that at one point also, you have to see, you have to do different things to see what you like and what you don't like.

Emily: Yes. Especially if you're a generator or manifesting generator in human design, because, but then we respond. So the more things we give ourselves to respond to, it's like Uhhuh, Uhuh, and you start to refine what you like and don't like. 

Sara: Here's the interesting thing. I'm a projector. And I'm a, a recovering hustler. 

Emily: Okay. Are you a splenic projector or emotional? 

Sara: Yes splenic.

Emily: Did you manifest health issues? 

Sarah: No. 

Emily: Working at that pace? 

Sara: No, I was so disconnecting from me that it didn't matter for if it was in the line. It didn't matter if I didn't have the energy for it. It didn't nothing mattered. 

Emily: Wow.

Sarah: So like.

Emily:  I'm shocked. Cause I feel like the splenic normally it's like, I was fine until I ended up in the hospital for a week with a case of vertigo. And it's like, right, because your body finally got to have it say, and you had to slow down. 

Sara: So the more that I read on human design, the more I'm like, wow, there was a total disassociation of who I was 

versus what I need to do. Which comes with a lot of the stories as well, because I was born in a family where like many people where you have to work hard. If you are not working hard. Well, then you're lazy. So there was no thinking of manifestation and taking, penning it out to the universe and it was like, no, no, no, you just work. So work and work I did.

Emily: I totally relate to that. Both of my parents had their own businesses, but they were like small businesses. My dad was a psychologist. My mom was running like a little computer shop in town and they both worked until at least 7:00 PM every night. I would eat dinner at the babysitter's house.

And then get picked up and have like an hour with my parents before bed. And we were on 20 acres of land and we had horses and turkeys and sheep. And so like on the weekends, we would be mowing the grass or putting new shingles on the roof. I remember doing that stuff with my parents. We were, that's what we did.

And it was like, we were proud of that work ethic.

Sara: And it, it is a badge of honor.  But now yes anybody, how are you doing everyone's responses "Good". But I'm busy or busy and I'm good. But busy is always there. We're busy being busy. Now you can find me at the spot one, two, sometimes three times a week.

There's still challenge and there's still definitely some stories in there too, but there's more of an alignment, but, the journey for entrepreneur was just like catapult in there. Five years earlier than I had planned. It was not the plan. 

Emily: Do you remember how much you made in your first year?

Sara: I made $39,000. 

Emily: Okay. 

Sara: Which was not enough to pay for daycare and the rent. 

Emily: So how did that work? 

Sarah: Well, I had rent, I had savings that I put in there, but it was definitely not enough, but I was able to between that and there's help from the government for single parents. And if there's a single mom with a business, the government helps you even more. And I had some savings, a little bit that I was able to tap into like a little bit. And that's really how I made it happen. Well, the first year I like survive. 

Emily: Well, and like 39,000 is enough to give you evidence that it's going to work. If you keep at it. Right? It's not like you made five grand in your first year.

And you're like, okay, how on earth am I ever going to take care of things? 39,000 is like, okay, it's not enough. It's maybe halfway to enough or three quarters of the way so we'll get there. 

Sara: There was no plan B this was it. So I didn't even realize or judged it or anything. And the average salary, I think in Canada, it was around 50,000 anyway so.

Emily: You weren't too far off in your first year of business. 

Sara: It wasn't too far off. You really don't like, unless you live in the country, but in the city, you can't make, you can't do much with that. But I was free and I was able to be there with my kids and I was the mom who was like apple picking with been on the school bus with them and doing every museum with the daycare with them. I was always there because for me that was important. I always told myself the money thing. I'll figure it out later. 

Emily: So when you were like working hard and kind of hustling for this business, was it happening like during the hours that your kids were in school or after they were in bed or both?

Sara: Well, it was definitely both. So they were at daycare cause when I started my business, my daughter was two and a half.

Emily: Okay. 

Sara: And my son was four and a half. 

Emily: Got it. 

Sarah: So they were in daycare. So I would work all day, put them to bed eight o'clock. Then I would be back in my, in front of my computer. And all of this was to $80 that I would charge for one hour, but I would probably work like two, three, sometimes four sometimes to make things happen. So go down the line. It's going to be the opposite, but what you need to do in the beginning. 

Emily: Totally. Absolutely. So obviously there's been an evolution to your business. You started out at 80 an hour, then you went up to like 150. Do you still charge hourly? 

Sara: No. 

Emily: Or what does your pricing look like now?

Sara: So now, so there's two ways. I have different programs that I offer. I take a handful of clients on a one-on-one basis, which what we do is a six months. We have a zoom call for an hour every other week for six months. So it's pretty intense. And you see that package is at 11,500. 

Emily: I love that. I think it's so fun to watch the evolution of pricing.

Sara: It's very interesting. I remember the first time when I first started working like more on a package instead of just on a one-on-one it's like, do this, will people pay for this will and then make you see people paying for it you're like? That's interesting. And then when you, cause I remember the first time in the beginning, when I moved away from the hourly basis, it was a one year engagement where it would have a meeting a month, two hours in person.

And it was 7,500 that's where my packages starting.

So I was on the road all the time. I was on the road. And then when I was like, all right, how about 8,500? And then at one point I was talking with my girlfriend of mine. I'm like, do you think I could put 95 and you have all this like anxiety around it and why don't you go over 10,000 Sarah?

I'm like, oh my gosh, that's just crazy. Couldn't feel it in my body. I was like, I wanna vomit to say 10,000 for one year. But at one point you kind of get the rhythm of it of, and there's one realization that I did is that when people pay, they pay attention. So I'm still working on that because I still do like a lot of free stuff and things like that for too much. I've noticed that when people pay, they actually pay attention and they actually do. It's not just, this is a great idea, but we'll never do it. They actually do it. 

Emily: Totally it's part of the transformation too. 

Sara: Yes.

Emily: When I signed up for a $10,000 a month mastermind, it was like, okay, well I need to show up and become a match for being the woman who pays $10,000 a month to be in a mastermind.

Sara: And it's true. And it does, and I see it from the clients. So I have a lot of clients in the wealth management industry. So for them, like many of them it's like, okay, bucket change. That's why I get 8,500 was like, I was like, okay, there's something wrong here so. So you evolve it and I love the evolution. So at first, when you increase your price for me anyways, when I increased my price, I just wanted to vomit every time. I was like, oh my gosh, I don't think I can do this. And then it just kind of slips out. I didn't die. Now it gets easier as we go. 

Emily: Totally. So I wanna circle back to you the hustling and the work ethic and culture in your family of hard work because you and I have talked separately about how that's showing up in your money story.

So can you share a little bit about that?

Sara: When I did your test on the money? The hard money came top, like way above the other and to full honestly, when I got the, also the interview requests of the questions for our call today, it probably took me a good week to be able to fill it out just because I didn't think I could go there. And say, you know, we're gonna talk about money and how much you make and everything. And I'm like, and I'm not an anxious person, but I think I had an anxiety attack if I think that's what an anxiety attack looks like. So yes so the hard money wound is you have to work hard for money. So raised in like many people in an environment where you have to work hard for money, money doesn't grow on trees.

People have money it's because they're cooked. They took it from somebody and people who are rich have no values. And so I can't have money. I can't be wealth, I can't and there's so many I can'ts, and I still have well working many hours and just charging for one is still part of my pattern, doing things for free is still part of my pattern that I challenge today. So I noticed that, and this is really interesting as I did the first module, I just did the one on the hard money cause I had to stop there. Cause I'm like, I need to process that first. It's not just about money, the hard money, my belief that life has to be hard. 

So those wounds are way above just the money. And I've been working on processing that on what if it was easy?

What if money flow, but also in general? What if life was easy? So when we open just the money wound, we see that it's not just for money, it's from everywhere. So I get triggered from some people that a mastermind and they're like, I've been in business for three years and I've been 7.2 million dollars last month. 

Emily: Right.

Sara: But like example, some of them have like manifested million dollar business in like two years in business and I'm like, wow. 

Emily: Right. 

Sara: As long as I have the wound of hard money wound and just life has to be heard, you get stuck in that pattern.

Emily: Well, I think you bring up some really interesting and insightful points.

And so I first just wanna honor you, because I can tell that you're really reflecting and contemplating and working on the embodiment in the shifting of what's there, which is so huge. You often, I think there's a tendency to stay more surface level. And it's when we really allow ourselves to go to the depths that we get this incredible transformation. And one of the things that you said is something that I see in this money wound work. Which is there's the hard money wound and then there's the evil money wound and they kind of tango together. So it's like rich people are bad. And also people who just get money for nothing are bad. 

Sara: Yes. 

Emily: They're lazy. And so the hard money wound is actually one of the only socially acceptable ways to get rich. So it's like we start doing the math on this and our brain figures it out, even as kids where it's like, the only chance I have at making money or making a lot of money and still belonging in my family or in my community is if I work really hard for it, because then if I work super hard for it and everyone knows, I worked really hard for it, then I won't be like, those other people who are the bad rich people.

Sara: I'll be worthy of the money.

I'll be worthy of it. So definitely and it's very present in the society because also it's all about the hustle. 

Emily: Right.

Sara: Gotta hustle more, you gotta work hard. 

Emily: Right and it's, that's one way I am grateful to have a work ethic. I'm sure you are too. And it's served to a degree, but now there's like this new season where the growth edge is actually, can I let it be easy? Can I do less?

Sara: And I think that it can be, I can work a lot, but it doesn't have to be hard. I think that that's the spin.

Emily: Particularly as a projector. So if anyone listening is not understanding this vernacular, this is human design and you can literally just go to Google and say free human design chart. And there are a bunch of websites that pop up and you put in your date of birth and your exact time of birth, and you'll get your human design type. There's five type and then there are emotional authorities and all kinds of intricacies, which you can go down a whole rabbit hole of learning about if you desire. But Sarah's a projector, which is not one of the most common types. If I remember correctly, I think it's around 15% of humans are projectors. And projectors are meant to be guides. They're meant to be coaches. 

So like if the game of life were a baseball game, the projectors are the coaches. They're not batting. They're not catching, they're not pitching. They're the ones who see the whole thing and know what needs to happen. And because of that, they're not meant to be hustling or grinding or working even an eight hour day because they simply don't have the energy for it. But it's also not required, because like, what Sarah can do in four hours is like, it's her superpower. Cause she can see everything. She's like 10 steps ahead of the rest of us. And so her four hour workday gets the same amount done as what it might take some of us eight plus hours to do, but you've gotta go through so much deconditioning. 

Because projectors are meant to feel lazy. Why can't I keep up? I wanna keep doing this. Why do I feel so tired? I don't understand, why do other people have more energy than me? And it's like, when we can turn that around and realize, that's actually my superpower that can really change. So I just wanted to give that caveat so that everyone can be in this conversation with us. But I'd love to hear from your perspective, like how that's gone to be doing that deconditioning and really live more as an aligned projector.

Sara: Well, it's very interesting because I entered the human design universe maybe six months ago. 

Emily: Okay. 

Sara: Where no, I had heard about it and everything, but really dove into it was about six months ago. And at first I didn't get it. I, one thing that I did understand is the wait for invitation because projectors, we wanna help everyone, but we help people, even if they're not asking for. We have that tendency because we want, for me, that was a big one. And it's really interesting because, so I said I had three different programs that I run and this year, all the launches that I, and I was trying to do to launch in French and in English at the same time and everything, nothing worked, but everything has worked.

This year I haven't been able to sell anything. That's like mass market. But I can sell $12,000 conference tour for a firm.I can sell something that's 2000, but I can sell something that's 12,000. And I've been going to this spa once, twice, three times a week. So now I'm in this midst of, I'm not sure how this understand this works because this also is not aligned with the you're supposed to work hard.

So my family doesn't know I, I'm at the spa two, three times a week. I don't wanna go in those conversation. And so it's very interesting to see when we started deconditioning, how, when I try to do what a generator or manufacturing generator does about like launching and doing lives and doing this, nothing works. So now I'm testing out the stepping back and just wait for the invitation. Being present, but waiting for the invitation. So I'm in the midst of it. 

Emily: That makes perfect sense for me. I don't think we're ever fully done with our journey with human design, like, okay, I figured it out. I'm in perfect alignment, but six months is on the early side where it's like, okay, I'm now understanding what doesn't work, but I'm still trying to figure out, like, what is that perfect recipe for me and giving yourself some grace and some trial and error with it. But on this topic of kind of the hard money wound, it can often like play out in our pricing and in the way that we show up in our offers. And one of the shifts that I give inside of money wound medicine that Sarah knows, cause she's in the program is instead of thinking that effort equals income, which is kind of our old paradigm way of thinking. When we can change that equation slightly to impact equals income, that really opens up a whole new realm of possibility for us.

And our brains can get behind it, cause we can actually come up with a lot of examples of where impact equals income. 

It's like if I'm Taylor Swift and I wanna make more money, I'm not like, let me do two concerts every single day. Instead of one to double my income, it's like maybe I play bigger venues or I just up my pricing because my shows are so incredible and people love them. And so they're actually willing to pay more than what I've been charging. It's really about the impact of the work. Not like how do I release eight albums this year instead so that I could eight X my income. 

Sara: And I have to say that when I did that module and you said that for me, that was so liberating. And my brain went, oh my gosh. That is so much more fun than hustling, and even allowed me. I had a masterclass that was planned out and I was like doing two master classes a month, one in French, one in English. And I did one in French and I was like, I'm not having fun anymore. So I actually canceled the English one and I'm like, you know what? Let's take some space. And when I got to the, it's impact becomes income and I'm like, that I can do.

Emily: Yes. And here's another one. If I gave you two options, one option is to go to university on the traditional schedule. So it'll take you four years. Maybe five, if you happen to change your major and you'll live on campus and you'll go to classes and you'll do it all. And after four or five years, you'll have your degree or there's this revolutionary new method where I put these special head set on you while you sleep in one night's sleep. All of the information that you would get in four years gets downloaded into your conscious and subconscious mind so that when you wake up in the morning, you have all of the knowledge, not only from the classes, but from all of the experiences that would've happened during that time.

And I've actually gotten it accredited. So you get the same degree, which one should cost more?

Sara: More the one that's overnight.

Emily: Why? 

Sara: It's simpler, it's easier, it's faster, it's everything.

Emily: But you don't have to work as hard for it. And the other one, you get four years worth of the experience. You have to show up for it. You have to go to class, you see how we actually price our things, the opposite  and I see this with clients all the time too with, like, well, if I wanna charge 10 grand, I have to make it a year long thing and I have to add all this stuff to it. And it's like, but wait a second. When you're on the client side of things, if you can get the result faster and easier, you actually wanna pay more for the faster, easier way.

Sara: I couldn't be that when we have, especially when we carry the hard money wound, it can't be that easy.

Emily: Right.

Sara: It's too good to be be true. You know, we have this, it's too good to be true. 

Emily: Well, it's honestly what it is. Is, I can't receive that amount for so little effort. 

Sara: Yes. That I still have itself.

Emily: So, again, if it's like, if we change effort for impact. And it's like, okay, well, what's the impact of this thing I'm offering.

Okay. Can I receive this amount of money for that impact? It may still not be an easy yes. But it feels really different.

Sara: Yes. It definitely feels different. And there's an excitement. Cause even when you just say that, can I receive that for the impact that I've done? And I'm just thinking about like conferences that I just finished.

Hell yeah! and more, but I gave them a 10% discount.

Emily: I know. And that's okay. You get to be on this journey a year from now. You get to laugh and be like, that was cute Sarah, like Sarah from a year ago with her little 10% discounts and her little 11K package, like we're going to be on a journey.

Sara: Yes.

Emily: And as we continue to heal and feel more embodied. Step into more income for impact than it just gets to change that's all.

Sarah: I think two things that for me have shifted since I've entered your universe. And I didn't tell you I was gonna take your program. I didn't even tell you how to give program.

Emily: No, it was like such a sweet surprise to see that receipt in my inbox. I'm like, oh Sarah.

Sara: When I did the quiz and seriously, I went hiking with a friend and I talked about it the whole time and I'm like, it's there. So like the hard money wound, so impact for income. And understanding the evil money wound, cause they, for me, they are tied in together is more money helps me to help more people and people who actually need it. Yes my clients are entrepreneurs, whatever, but I can turn around and help people in charities and things that are projects that are important for me. And we start enjoying life also a little bit more along the way too.

Emily: Something that's come up for me really recently that I don't even think I've shared in my work thus far, is that part of what we're here for. And we being women entrepreneurs that were sort of created with this dream of big wealth and big impact. No one told you, you should do that. In fact, that dream inside of us, like it kind of makes us weird. We usually go through a period of time where it's like, why can't I just be satisfied with what I have, as entrepreneurs? The reason we're on the planet. In this time with this dream is because we're meant to help usher in this new paradigm of wealth. But what it means is that we have to be willing to walk through the fire of having the old paradigms of wealth projected on us.

That's the only way it will change. So if the first time someone questions, whether we're a good person for being wealthy or wanting wealth, or the first time someone questions, us being lazy or not having a work ethic or whatever, if that stops us. Well, how are we ever going to have a planet where we have so many examples of women with money, doing it with ease, doing great things with that money is like we can't change it unless we're also willing to potentially have the old paradigm projected on us and still keep going.

Sara: And we've become, and this is what I'm starting to notice. Is that, we become, we open the door to a new world of, oh my gosh. I didn't know. When I quit my job and everything, my father who I love, he's like, I was sure you were just gonna go and get another job and that was gonna be it. Seriously. You're my dad. You're supposed to be cheering on my side. At one point, I said, "I would like to buy a house in the city", and he looked at me. He goes, "well, you better marry a rich guy". 

Emily: Thanks dad. 

Sara: Ouch! So, it hurts. You gotta take it in. Then the challenge is to not go back in the money wound with it, by like getting to take it in. But after that I find it where I'm starting to pivot is what if I show the way.

That it's possible to be a single mom and buy a house in the city. And it's possible to have a six figure business and being at the spa two to three times a week. And I've started really putting that as my mission. 

Emily: Yes. I so feel this for you.

Sara: And my business tagline is because so much more is possible. And that's what, so yes, sometimes you have to take it in and I'm still in the hard money wound. Evil money wound. And I'm like, alright, it's like, you're in the storm and you're in it. I don't wanna sit in the storm. I wanna continue walking. So I get out the storm, but being aware of it for me was such a, oh my gosh. Yes. Now I can do something about what is money for impact? What if it was easy and flowed easy, simple. Even easy, sometimes my body's like.

Emily: I love the descriptor downstream also because it's like, we don't have so many weird attachments to that word. So I agree with you. With the word easy, it can be a loaded word.

Sara: Yes. 

Emily: Where our body or our mind wants to fight against it because we have some idea of what easy means. But when I ask myself like, okay, what's the downstream decision? What's the downstream way of doing this? It's like, I don't have any other energetic attachments to that word. I literally see in my mind, me putting a raft into a river and just going, but if I tried to  go upstream in that same river, whew, work like crazy and maybe cover three feet of ground. You're just not gonna get very far, very fast because you're,

Sara: But how many of us have done that for a long time? Because it's supposed to be hard. 

Emily: Well, and it feels good when it's hard when that's our paradigm. It's like that feeling after a great workout where you're like, damn! do I feel accomplished? I'm sweaty. I can't lift my arm higher than my shoulder, but there's something very satisfying about it. 

Sara: Maybe that's why I started, I moved from CrossFit to yoga.

Emily: Maybe, I think there's like a real identity upgrade that's happening for you. So it's not surprising actually, that there would be a shift in what feels good.

Sara: Yes. And one question also that I've started asking myself a lot, which helps me shift from that pattern is, what do I wanna tell myself, what my last breath, when I'm 85 in a rocking chair, what do I wanna tell myself? 

Emily: And what do you wanna tell yourself?

Sara: That I've given it everything I've got. I challenge the status quo that I challenge the, it's hard to do this that I thrive. No, I, the way that I see it is like there's people who survive life. There's people who live life and there's people who thrive. And I decide I wanna be part of the third category. So now being that storm, it's like, all right, well, how do I wanna be remembered? And the wounds came be keep coming back and it's okay. Cause my brain, my nervous system, my body, whatever is used to be in that pattern, but now it's like, all right, how do I, so these little sentences, you know, money for impact money is just to serve, to give, to share. Okay. You know, these they're all little triggers that bring you back in alignment. 

Emily: Yes. 

Sara: Cause money is just, it's not a piece of paper.

Emily: This conversation has flowed so well, I feel like we could go on, maybe we'll have to have like a part two to this episode. 

Sara: I'll let you know how I go on my journey. 

Emily: Exactly. It's like, okay, let's get a journey update from Sarah. So I'm really actually hearing that. And I also wanna, have invite everyone listening to follow along on your journey. So where do you hang out? Where do you connect with people? Where can people follow you? 

Sara: LinkedIn is my preferred social media. 

Emily: Okay. 

Sara: But I do have a, a YouTube channel where I'm there on a weekly basis. So it's triple W Sara Gilbert.tv. And I'm really starting to have fun with Instagram. I'm working with the duality where LinkedIn is more about

Emily: Bath tub.

Sara: And then I'll go on and then I'll, I'll share on Instagram where it's more, it flows. It, it's probably my new identity coming on. 

Emily: Okay. Perfect. So we'll make sure that we have all of those links and we'll drop them in the show notes. So go find Sarah on LinkedIn or YouTube or Instagram or all three, wherever you like to hang out. And Sarah, any final thoughts for our audience?

Sara: Money wounds have such a greater impact than just on one. And I think that was my biggest realization. My relationship with money is my relationship with life in general.

Emily: Mic drop. Thank you so much for being on the show. Everyone listening. Thank you so much for tuning in and we'll talk to you soon. Bye. 

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