Episode 3: Turning Big Dreams Into Big Income with Alex Navas

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Despite his humble beginnings, Alex always dreamed big and found ways to turn his dreams into big income. His faith in God and his belief in the impact of his vision are both inspiring and contagious.

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Emily: Alex. I am so thrilled to have you on the podcast. Thank you so much for joining me.

Alex:  Absolutely,  It's a pleasure. I look forward to this day and this time for, since you told me, since you extended the invite. And so I'm super pumped about today's podcast episode.

Emily:  Likewise. and Alex, I consider you a friend and a mentor. You've been a coach to me. And I want to just formally introduce you so that our audience knows who they have the honor of listening to today.

So, Alex is a coffee, loving family, focused marketing and business growth strategist. Alex is also the founder of fem preneur, a movement that equips and empowers family focused entrepreneurs to grow wildly successful businesses while having a thriving family life,  after building two successful mortgage companies, losing it all and rebuilding a consulting business of his dreams.

Alex focuses on helping experts and thought leaders. On how to build profitable and purposeful online businesses they love . His results- driven approach, combines mindset, marketing, and monetization strategies to amplify his client's results quickly with more ease so that they can win back their time and do what drives them. And I know that everyone after hearing that is going to want to connect with you Alex, so they can find you@alexnavas.com. And Alex is also on Instagram at alexnavaspro  and Navas is N A V A S. So Alex.

Alex: Yes.

Emily: What a wonderful introduction. I'm so thrilled that you're here.

Alex: Thank you, thank you for the beautiful introduction. And I'm excited. I  love, first of all, I love that you put this podcast together and the things that you and I talked about that you want this podcast to become out in the marketplace out for powerful people. It's just a breath of fresh air because it's a much needed message and you're the much-needed person to deliver that message.

Emily: Oh, thank you so much.  I'm really excited about talking more about money with radical transparency and bringing our money wounds and limiting beliefs around money out into the open to the surface so that we can talk about them and move through them. Heal them, and all call more money into our lives. And I truly believe that,  that will change the planet for the positive.

Alex: A hundred percent I'm with you there.

Emily:  So, knowing your past and that you've had different businesses, you've also worked for a company as a coach and a mentor, and you're in currently rebirthing fempreneur into kind of this 2.0 version of your own company. I would imagine that you've had. So many experiences with your own limiting beliefs around money throughout this journey.

Alex:  So many, so many, and some people believe that once you conquer your limiting beliefs, like you're done, you're, you're cool. Coast is clear for the rest of your life. And then you encounter new experiences, new opportunities that you don't have any experience with. And so some of that stuff starts creeping back in. It just looks a little bit different. Then it did before. And so,  a lot of experience there, a lot of new things. I mean, some recently I feel like I'm pretty mindful about how I view money, my relationship with money. And I feel like I'm on top of the game and yet still circumstances and life experiences come and you're like, oh wait, I wasn't quite equipped for this one. I didn't know. This will even be a thing. And then, you know, just navigating that journey and that's, that's the case for everybody on every stage of their growth and their money path. 

Emily: And you just told me that you've generated six figures in six days. So first of all, congratulations.

Alex:  Thank you.

Emily: And secondly, I kind of want to go back in time. Did kid Alex ever imagine, did you know you were destined for big things and you are going to call a lot of money in, or does the idea of six figures in six days just seem like an absolute impossibility?

Alex:  Little of both, I would say. And so what I would say is like, I never was one to settle. I always dreamed big, but when I think about that, like, it wasn't really well-defined. So it was very difficult to approach these big dreams. If you don't know what they are. And so early on, I wanted to be an actor and I want to do  something that I wouldn't be able to be funny and just be kind of a performer, even though I was nervous at first and just, I had a lot of charisma as a kid and I'm just like.  Hey, I just want to be the center of the room and just make people smile.

So whatever I do is going to do that. And so as an actor, as a performer, really, I was always into movies. So I would see what the actors would make me feel. And I was like.  Wow, I can see the emotional elements of a movie that I'm watching a show and I'm like, oh wow. You just shifted my energy. You just shifted my focus, my attention, the way I see things.

Well, I want to do that for people. So this is little Alex, little boy Alex. I have no clue what I can even do with these things that I had naturally. I'm just going to do something with it. And so now I'm a teenager  and I'm jumping from one thing to another and that get sick of jobs. I remember one of my jobs as a high school kid, it was like a fast food restaurant. I got there. I burned my hand and I'm like, okay, I'm good. I'm done so many people are like holding on to this job and security. How to like, I'll go find something else. It's all good.  There's plenty of opportunity out there . But over the years, since then, it's expanded what I saw as opportunities back then, there was something in me that desired more.

I didn't always know,  what that was or how to get it. But it was something that drove me. And part of that was really escaping anybody, putting lids on me because I had experienced that.  You know, in my professional life as a kid and as a teenager, and now I'm a professional. There were always people that put lids on me. And I was like, I don't work well with that. Who is anybody to tell me what I can do or what I can't do, you know? And that was that's part of the fem preneur  spirit. 

But for me, that's a big one. And so I remember there's two distinct situations that happen. I was one of them. I was about 19. The other one, I was about 2021. And I remember as a 19-year old that dropped out of college. And it was just wasn't for me, it was just too slow pace for me. I wanted to do something immediately. And so I got this job and I was making decent money, I would say for a 19-year old that I was making like 40 grand or something like that. And I was an assistant to other individuals. So I was kind of like part of those support team.

But the interesting thing was that I would be training the people I'm there to assist.  I would be showing them how to do their job, but I was an assistant and then I'd see other people being brought in that I would be the assistant to. And I'm one, is my chance? I'm literally training these people. And yet I'm not giving the opportunity. Oh, there's a lid here. And eventually it got to the point where I knew I had one, I was talking to somebody at that company and I was talking to the director of that division that I was in. And  we were talking about stuff, like  so I wanted a new car and it was, at that time, it wasn't a Lamborghini or anything. It was like a little, literally it was a brand new of the year. I think it was a 99 Volkswagen Jetta. It just came out. It looked so cool to me. I wanted the leather seats and the sunroof. I'm 19, 20 years old at the time. And the director said.  "Well, why don't you just go buy this thing as if that was too much for me to desire".

When I heard that, I was like, okay, my job I'm done here. And I left and like, I might've given my two weeks notice. I'm like, there's something more, she sees me this way. So I'm not going to be able to move beyond this. Then I went to another place and they paid me more and I was promoted there. And then on one occasion, probably about a year later, they offered me the management position.

I'm like, well, cool. They're recognizing there's no lids here. Excellent. And it was because the current manager at the time she had left because she was expecting a child. And then once she had her son. She decided not to come back. So they said. "Okay, Alex, you're doing amazing here. We want to give you that position".

Well, a week later she decided that she is coming back after. And now that's a promotion that I would just receive this strip from me and, you know, great for her. But I was thinking of like, okay, well, where else am I going to go? This is a smaller organization and this, my next move here was open to me and then taken away from me.

I'm not going to be in this position anymore. So it was, I knew that I had big goals, big aspirations, and I didn't want to settle. And so to me, that was the big driver and I look back and I was like, there was some of that already there as I was like a kid. Some of that resistance, some feeling captain not desiring that and not wanting that in my life.

Emily: So there was that rebelliousness and I'm curious because part of me wonders sometimes that rebelliousness is kind of a wounded, masculine energy, meaning I'm an approved it. So going out and taking action, not because it's necessarily for our own highest good, but because we want to prove to someone else that we can do it and that the limitation that they put on us wasn't true. Did you feel like there was any of that energy or was it more like, no, I'm just a free spirit and I just need a lot of expansiveness in order to be my highest self?.

Alex:  I would say for me it was both. So there was that element. Oh, you think I can do certain things that I can't do certain things. Okay. you watch. So there was certainly that. And on the other side, I was like, well, I'm meant for more, I could be doing more. So that second one that they took the management position. I ended up getting a job. Now I'm in early twenties, late teens, early twenties. So I go get a job with all states and they're paying me even better. And I'm there in front of the computer data entry. And I'm like this mind can do so much more. This arts can do so much more. This human here can do so much more. So it wasn't just the paint. It was like there was a call to fulfillment. That I hadn't been able to express at that time. So for me, you know, maybe it's different for everybody.

It is different for everybody, but for me, there was an element of both the masculine and the feminine that was calling me to something greater. You don't have to prove to others, but also to find the fulfillment in me, because I knew that there was something more for me.

Emily: And, what I often observe is that in certain periods of our lives, we will weaponize money. So the amount that we're earning or the lack of money in our lives, we make it mean something about ourselves. And often we make it mean. Something that is consistent with a wound we already have. So if we already feel abandoned, we will see the evidence of money leaving us as further evidence of our abandonment. As an example. Can you think of any times when you've weaponized money against yourself?.

Alex:  Probably several times. One was that at first, early on, as I was still maturing. Money became the drive for me, it is above the money. I'm playing a game of money here and it was at the expense of what was true for It. So I was playing the game of money, the more money and more money and more money. And so 21 years old, 22, we started our first business. My wife and I, we got married in 2000. Our first business was in 2001. So, and then my son was born in 2001. So I've raised my business and my son exactly the same time. And at first I was just pursuing money pursuing, okay more.  And then there's more. And then there's more. And then every level of more than that we'd achieve, we'd get the stuff in our life. Lard lifestyle would increase, but I still had this unquenchable thirst for more, but really it was at what, at an expense, because I wasn't even happy. I wasn't even joyful. It was just more for more sake. And I realized like, okay, I thought when I'd get here, I feel like finally I made it finally.

I can enjoy life and I get there and it's like, oh, this isn't really as meaningful as I thought I guess. 

Maybe the goal should be higher. And let me go after that. And so I created an identity out of that and where it really hindered me was fast forward to 2008 real estate market changed. We lose everything. We were making really good money to having nothing.  I remember buying a gun on milk on a credit card and it was money. 

Emily: How was money Alex were you making at that time before you?

Alex:  It was in my twenties. And for me, this was now I look at it. I'm like, really that's it. But back then we were doing 20, 30, $40,000 a month in our mortgage company. And to me, I was like, I don't know anybody. That's making this kind of money, especially in their twenties. And people are looking at us and we have the cars in the house and all that stuff. And I'm a college dropout, like all these different things that I told myself. So it was a lot for us at the time. And for some, it still is a lot based on their current beliefs of our own money. So it was a lot for us. So then we lost that. I realized that I went into a deep depression and it was really difficult and it happened our marriage. I was like, wow, I built an identity around being able to make money. And so I lose the ability to make money because of circumstances or whatever it is and choices that I made as well. And so now I use my identity and stuff like I'm finding myself, "why am I? I don't know, because I placed my identity on the things that I accomplished, not who I was intrinsic. 

Emily: Yes, and I can still relate to that because I've done that too. And it is such a sneaky thing when it happens. It's a very easy attachment to attach our self-worth to our accomplishments or to the money that we made or  to the work that we do, it's a little more difficult to uncouple that. So talk to me about that. How did you recreate your identity or your self worth independent of what you did for a living? 

Alex:  A couple of things. I would say for me, my faith has always been a really important element of my life. And so that was a big one is just drawing close to God.

And there was a lot of stuff that I knew about God, but just cause I had the knowledge of God and what this word says, I had knowledge of it, but I didn't quite internalize It. That there's a passage that says as a man thinks in his heart. So is He, but I always knew it to be as a man thing. So is He, and then I started like really meditating on that back in those days, I really didn't have much anymore.

And I'm like discovering myself and there was a distinction between what I thought it said. So actually what it says, and once I got clear on it, it was really very liberating. So I thought it was as a man thinks in his head. So is He, but it doesn't say that it says as a man thinks in his heart and I'm like, wait, where did we think?

When we consider thinking it doesn't really come from here, but as I started pondering on that, I was like, ah, got it. So it's not the intellect of the thing is not where the secret is. It's the taking this intellect and experiencing allowing it,  to hope you become who you are. So it's got to be at the heart level at the spirit level, at the soul level, because we all know what we can do to make money, to make millions or tens of millions that we have knowledge of that.

But yet, because we haven't become the person that does it, there's a gap. And so for me, when I started thinking about that, I'm like, ah, I've missed it. There's some truths that I know here. There's some things that I'm, I'm aware of that helps me with my identity. But I have not internalized it. And the minute that I do now, it's not performance. My identity is not performance-based,  now it's not because of what I do or don't do what I have or don't have it. It's not contingent on external things, but I, myself am sufficient. I, myself am enough and that helped me in the healing process. So that was a big one, I would say. And then two others is, second one is looking at what happened after we lost everything.

Most people see it as lost. And at the time I started, I was lost, but then. There was opportunities for me to turn that loss into a gain. And so, you know, we were making good money for us at the time and now we're making nothing. So I go and get a job at a nonprofit, and it turns out that the opportunity that was opened up for me was to be a foreclosure counselor having just gone through foreclosure.

I'm the mortgage guy, the money guy, I get people money. I just lost it. And now the opportunity comes up for me to be a foreclosure counselor. And now I'm counseling families who are also losing their houses, who are all this, and I'm helping them kind of go through this. And one of the most healing things that I would tell them is. Where were you living before you had this house? Oh, we were renting and we were doing fine. Okay. Were you homeless? No. Were you still together as a family or did the house bring your family together? No, no, no. We had all that stuff. Oh, great. So you're just losing a building. You're not losing your home. And when they heard it that way, they're like, wow, I get we'll survive this.

They had hope I only had that context. Cause I had gone through that experience myself. And so it was taking this loss and turn it into a lesson. And I was like, wow! even in the greatest obstacles that I've ever faced, I get to experience. Something that I can use to pour into somebody else. I got to bring hope for somebody else.

I've got to bring a clear vision for somebody. I got to bring healing through my experience. So it was my cost for your game. Wow! that's amazing. And so then,

I started looking at everything that I had experienced on thought I lost and all this stuff. And then even when I speak, sometimes I, I share about the moment that I thought every I lost everything that I thought was everything. I thought the car was everything. The traveling, whenever was every, the house, you know, all that stuff was there. And I realized, wait, my faith is intact. That had gone nowhere. My family's intact, my health is intact with the things that really matter and are significant, have gone nowhere. They've been intact this entire time.

Then I started, as I evaluated this, I was like, well, it wasn't really lost them. And then that helped me build my identity because it wasn't based on stuff or circumstance. 

Emily:  And it's interesting that rebuild of identity and that so much of that was tied into your faith. I see it going two ways sometimes where either there's this remembrance, right? I'm a child of God. Therefore the kingdom of God is my birthright or there's certainly other Bible verses or other messages that people get through religion and spirituality that make them feel ashamed or scared to claim the money that they want, right? Because there's also a lot of messaging around sort of the piousness and the righteousness of the poor. And so it sounds like, you were able to really reconnect with your infinite work. Through your spiritual and your faith, right?

Alex:  Definitely. 

Emily:  And, and then it led you to becoming a foreclosure specialist or coach. Was that kind of the beginning of Alex Navas  as a coach?

Alex:  Formally? Yes.

Emily: Okay. 

Alex:  But if I look back, I think I've really operated with that coaching heart.

That coaching spirit. Most of my life, I remember in high school, I remember in grade school, like people would come to me for advice or not always even advice. It's just like somebody to listen and they, I can talk to you. I can talk this out sometimes. I'm like, I don't even have advice for you, but I, Linda listening year, and then they walk away. Oh my God. Thank you so much. What a great conversation I'm like, I didn't even, I didn't even say anything. I just asked her a couple of questions, you know, so I think I had that, but that was the first element where prior to that, it was service-based type businesses.

Mortgages people come to me and to some degree I would counsel and consult with them on mortgage options and things like that. So there was some elements. But now people are coming to me specifically for advice, for direction, for coaching, there was no service attached to it. I'm not trying to sell a mortgage or a home or whatever the case is. And so that was certainly a part of me becoming. Who I am today and really operating as a coach and consultant on a professional level. Not just I do it because I do it and I just that's my natural gifting. I was like, wow! people actually pursue opportunities to get coached. Wow. That's a cool thing. And coaching for free this whole time.

Emily: Right, what, there's a whole industry here and wow. People actually really make incredible lives. 

Alex: Absolutely.

Emily:  And speaking of the coaching space often, it's very common that people who are coaches are also investing in coaches and many people have at least one story, if not a half, a dozen, where they made an investment into themselves, that felt so scary at the time, but also help them upgrade their identity. And I'm curious if you have a story around that as well.

Alex:  So many, just pick the phase of my journey and I got stories for days. My first big investment, honestly, in coaching, wasn't actually a coach. It was my wife. You're getting married, like literally the biggest investment of my life, everything that I have is yours.

So like I have no other big investment as big as my marriage. And what that's I actually posted about this not too long ago. I was like, she was one of the people that really helped shape who I am today. And so, you know, I say that jokingly, you know, with the investment, but really that is an investment. I gave up. I typically say that in the context of how it reflects on her, like she gave up good. To take a chance that it'll be better with me. But I think about that too. I was like, I could have done anything, but I gave up that in the hopes that I'd get something better with my wife and I became exceedingly better. Right? So from that side, my marriage was a big one, but professionally speaking, the first investment that I made, there was a coach in the mortgage industry.

Again, I'm younger twenties here and I didn't come from money. We grew up. My parents were two immigrants that didn't have much that came in their teenage years with literally, you know, a couple of dollars. And so we didn't have a whole lot of money. So when I'm in business now and we started making okay money before we were making better money. But I remember the first professional investment that I made outside of like books and courses. I got to spend money on books or a hundred, $200 on courses and they've got, but I remember a $4,000 investment that I made and it was pretty scary to me. But, you know, again, going back to one of my values is growth. I did not want anyone to cap me, shame on me. If I'm capping. So I was like, no, I'm going to invest. And it was scary and I was a bit nervous and I had a whole lot of doubts that came with it, but I was like, I don't ever want to cap me. There's sort of, this can help me be better cool. But there was a whole lot of doubts and beliefs around that investment. It was kind of scary, but it was totally worth it.

Emily: And now, like today, what level of investment do you think it would take to make you feel that same way? That, that $4,000 investment. 

Alex: That's a good question. Cause now like 4,000 was a big deal not,  a big deal then. And I'm like, oh, I'll just buy that. I'll buy a course just randomly because I want to learn something. So now it's not a big deal. That's a good question. I don't know. Probably six figures. I would say.  I would say six figures. And there's some like, okay , little nervousness around that, but not really because I know who, I know what I would do with something.

If I think back to that $4,000, like what did I get out of $4,000? Well, directly probably several hundreds of thousands of dollars in actual. Business growth, like actual revenue, but here's the thing and the way that I'm impact driven. So I don't only look at the immediate, but like the ripple effects of the choices we make. So that $4,000 may have made me hundreds of thousands of dollars. But what it's me a directly and indirectly through them, me taking that and who I've become as a result of taking a chance on me. As I poured into all others, this probably several millions, tens of millions of dollars as an extension of what I give to others, the clients that I serve. And so what they were able to get out of that little investment that I made in 2003, that really kicked off a chain of events of me buying into me as my highest investment is going to be me. 

So, I would say scary. I haven't done a hundred K. I've done up into 50, 60 level, but I haven't done a hundred cages yet. And when I'm ready to I'm like, all right, cool. Let's do it. A new challenge, new opportunities, cool. 

Emily: And I'm always so curious about those kinds of questions because it is really funny how our perception of money and what's big and what's scary, changes so much over time. And it's like, I just wonder, like, can't wait to meet me in 10 years. You know? what she's gonna think is big and small. 

Alex:  Well, you and two years is gonna be so, you're going to laugh at today. You know, this conversation now because you're like, really.

Emily:  That was exactly. So I want to fast forward to present day to this version of Alex Navas that just created a hundred thousand dollars in, for six figures, maybe it was even more than a hundred thousand dollars figures in six days. So you're really rebirthing your fempreneur. I don't even wanna say program because I think that the labels that limits it, but your fempreneur vision and business and mission, what are some money goals that you have that you're kind of dreaming into or thinking about that feel like kind of a next phase for you?.

Alex:  That's a good question. So for this, my next immediate goal is 5 million a year, 

Emily: Ok

Alex: 5 million a year, very possible. And I'm gonna need it to do that , because the vision part of it is, you know, what I want out of it. That's, you know, I want there's some personal ambition and I want a certain lifestyle, a certain freedom for my family and my loved ones. So I have ambition. So that's part of it, but really not even the major part. Honestly, the things that I want to do, I believe that through the fempreneur movement, like we're gonna save marriages,  through the fempreneur  movement, we're gonna  help inner city kids,  through the fempreneur movement,

we're gonna  find people like broken Alex at 15, 16 years old product of a divorced home teen father.  That's who I was. And entrepreneurship created this whole new life for me that I don't know if I would have found a different way. And so,  what if I'm me, inner-city kids that don't feel like they have these opportunities feel stuck and I'm like, well, I'm going to do it. Let's do it. So I'm gonna need this to first goal is $5 million. Why? Because I want a youth center, a youth entrepreneurs center. I want to teach financial literacy.

So there's a business side of things where we have programs we're going to directly help our clients. But the impact of that is gonna save families, save kids, save parents, and like, bring like the image in my mind is the moment fempreneur was birthing me was very long ago. And I remember it was at a bookstore. I was with my son. My son must have been four. I actually came across the picture, not too long ago. A couple of days ago, he was about four years old sitting on my lap. I was reading to him and that wasn't really something, that we would do very often. It's go to Barnes and Nobles middle of the day just to hang out there because I was always busy in my mind. I'm grinding nights, 7:00 AM to 11:00 PM giving my family. I never had, except for me.  And that's the realization that I had that moment as I'm reading to my son, you're giving your family everything you never had except for you, and fempreneur was birth at that moment. I'm like, no, never again,  I'm fempreneur, If I do my job, right, I'm gonna equip  people to be great at business without sacrificing their family life, because I believe you can have both. And what happens for the children is I'm going to return. Parents back to their kids that are like, mom, dad, are you done for the day? But do you have any more calls I want to play? I just want to hang out. I just want to spend time with you. I want to, I want to be present with you, but you're cheating on me as your kids, your spouse, with this business here. 

Well, then why don't we build a business around your life instead of your life or on your business, and you can have both. And so for me, I needed to do five minutes, then I needed to do 10 and then I needed to do 50 and then there's curriculum that we could do free and in other countries. And so family retreats, like that's the vision here. And so I don't have the option to settle for my own limiting beliefs because the need out there is calling me for something. And I've been gifted with this. I've been burdened in a great way in the greatest of ways, because I'm hungry to serve in this capacity. 

Emily: Whew. I feel lit up just hearing you talk about it, your passion for it is so palpable and I absolutely love that vision. So last question here, and I will preface it by saying typically when we have conversations around money and financial goals. And so we say, okay, $5 million a year. That's roughly $400,000 cash that needs to be collected every month. Typically the conversation turns into math. right? And there's nothing wrong with math. I love math, but that's a very masculine approach to building the business. right? Which is how many leads do I need to have? How many need to turn into clients? But what I want to create space for is the divine feminine energy around money. So with that in mind, I wanna ask you.  How are you creating space for money to flow into your bank account and into fem preneur through magic and miracles and through the divine feminine energies?

Alex:  If I were to tell you how the hundred thousand that I just did in six days, how that happened, it was not math whatsoever. It was literally, I just want to be out there and I want to help some people. I want to serve people. I want to bring out the best in people and I know. And I have faith and I believe, and I just, this is the map that I played by,  the map that I played by for me, again, going back to my faith is what's God's economy beause I don't want to play in other people's accounts. And what I believe is that his economy is a multiplication effect, not an additional fact.

Emily: Yes. 

Alex: So if I'm out there pouring into people, if I'm out there sowing seeds, I may not know that this seed produces like a one-to-one exchange, but here's what I know,  my role is to sow seeds for him.

My harvest comes sometime where I did not plant. And so literally in three Facebook posts, Hey, here's what I'm up to. Guess what? I had sown seeds. So people are like, Hey, can we talk? I'd love to get your support. I didn't do. . There is no none of that involved. It was simply just being present and owning me who I am right now, this identity that I finally allowed myself to accept that isn't based on anybody else's expectations of me, but really who I am and who I am is creating these magical moments that , wow.

A hundred though. I didn't even know, like if I would have done 20 in my first week, find if I would have them 10, but it wasn't that it was just like, no, here's how you show up here. You want to attract them. So be what's attracting this opportunity and that okay, great well,  who I am is it, I'm a people builder. So as long as I build people, encourage people pour into people. There's no choice, but my numbers to happen. I can get into ads and I love that side. I can geek out on marketing, but really my biggest marketing approach is simply being a people builder. That's it. And to me that seemed to work the last seven days, but I have a life time  of moments where things like that is actually what produced greater rewards that anything that I actively tried to get. 

Emily: Yes. I love that. It's forgetting about how it's all gonna happen and just taking inspired action. Right? You're leading with your heart. You're leading in the place that you feel called, you're living out loud. So you're sharing what you're doing without attachment to the outcome.  But full trust, faith and surrender.

Alex: Yes

Emily:  That the outcome will naturally follow. And it's not your responsibility. That's the responsibility of God's spirit universe, who you're co-creating with. 

Alex: That's exactly right.

Emily: To determine when that harvest comes.

Alex :  And not being attached to how it's given either. That's the other flaws like, oh, I want it to be this way. And they're like, to me, I tried that before. I've prayed for things in the past. I've made declarations that I'll have this thing. And oftentimes when I do this, when I want it in my little sweet package of my limited thinking, oftentimes I would have settled for what I wanted because there was something greater available to me. And I have so many times that that's what happened is, I want something in a specific way. And if I were to have held onto my specific way, I would have lost out on a greater thing that was available. And so now I'm at a place where I don't care how it shows up. I'm going to just be in the.

Emily: That's right. Releasing that control because then you're actually fully supported and it can come in ways more fun and more abundant than you could ever imagine.

Alex:  Oh my gosh, so much. 

Emily:  Well, Alex, this has been such a joy. Thank you so much for coming on and sharing your heart first and foremost, but also so many of your experiences.

Thank you for talking about money. With honesty and transparency. I know that that's going to help our listeners to examine their own money stories and heal some of their own limiting beliefs. So,  I just so appreciate you and to everyone listening again, you can follow Alex at Alex Navas pro. You can connect with him on Facebook or his website, alexnavas.com.

Alex: Emily, thank you so much. What an honor. And this has been,  went by quickly. We could talk about this stuff for days. So thank you for inviting me here and allowing me the opportunity to speak to your amazing audience. 

Emily: Yes, right, thanks Alex.

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